Irish Recruiters on Twitter
Are you a recruiter in Ireland?
Are you using Twitter?
Do you want more exposure for your tweets?
Do you want more Twitter followers?
Send me your twitter name – just or mention @IrishRecruiter on twitter.
Here is the up to date Irish Recruiters list on Twitter.
Irish recruitment websites fall into two groups. First advertise their prices online and others do not. I always wondered why is that?
Here are the prices from the Irish job sites for a single job advertising:
RecruitIreland.ie – €99
Monster – €99
EmployIreland – €149 (includes CV Database)
LoadzaJobs – €280
Jobs.ie – €390
Irish Jobs -€950
The last two sites Jobs.ie and Irish Jobs do not have their prices published online. Now I realise why! Those are the two most expensive jobs sites in Ireland. Irish Jobs almost 10 times more expensive than the rest? They must have a really great sales team….
Now in all fairness, in a few minutes on the phone Jobs.ie did drop the price to €350 and Irish Jobs gave a whopping €150 discount to a total price of just €800.
Another available option is LinkedIN where you can post a job for €195. With 34 jobs posted for the whole country, it does not seem to be a greatest place to advertise a job. Or a hidden gem?
The cost of job advertisement in Ireland varies greatly. The web sites without the pricing clearly displayed seem to be by far the most expensive. Honestly I do not see how they justify the prices. Also their sales team has to be applauded. They will look for the commitment before close of business at 5PM. They would explain it with some ‘Cut off’ imaginary time for all ads of the day. All in all, serious sales training is involved there, and it’s obvious from the first 30 seconds on the phone – when they avoid telling you the price at all costs.
Social Networks are here! Recruitment and sourcing in particular is changing. Job Boards that the recruitment agencies have been relying for as their main source of candidates are getting smaller role to play today. The future for the job boards is not extremely bright either. Their dominance is being replaced by the social networks. There are more and better candidates using social networks than job boards. Recruiters had to follow the trend – moving their business of the job boards – to the social networks.
Job boards will not really die tomorrow. Job boards will still have their place in the online recruitment world. Most of them in a bit different shape or form. They will serve as repository for active jobs, and feed their data to the web sites with the high ant targeted traffic (do you recognise the description of a social network here?).
A lot of the recruiters are not extremely happy with the way that social networking sites are changing the recruitment. They feel the threatened. Why? They feel that they will be bypassed since employers will be able to source and recruit directly on the social networking web sites. Those recruiters go that far that they themselves do not use the social networks, trying to stop the wheel of change.
The change is here. And more of it is coming. Embrace it. Don’t fight it. Resistance is futile.
Online recruitment as well as any online business are changing. Changing constantly and rapidly (Microsoft: At the Speed of Light). Adoption spread and growth of the Internet fuel the acceleration of the change of Internet itself. Market penetration phase is shortening, and the market reach is growing.
Social networks are NOT the end of the recruitment agencies.
Internet brought the quick and cheap advertising to the recruiters 15 years ago in a form of job boards. Employers used them as well as recruitment agents. Both successfully. Both competed for the same candidate. Social networks are no different. Both direct employers and recruitment consultants will use them. If used right, social networks will be (are today!) extremely beneficial in the recruitment process. Does this mean the end of the tunnel for the recruitment agencies? Absolutely not! Recruitment agents have their place in the recruitment process, and will always have it as long as they add value. The tools they use will always the be the tools that are on the disposal of the employers as well. Social networks today, and whatever comes along tomorrow.
Bill Fischer is having a speech in Dublin on the Microsoft’s Future of Recruitment conference later this week. His company in Bill’s own words: TwitterJobSearch.com, is a global search engine for Twitter that uses natural language processing to identify and index offers of employment.
I asked Bill what will he be talking about in the recruitment conference in Dublin. Here is from Bill in his own words:
Bill Fischer: Hi Ivan, Yes, I’ll be discussing some of the challenges and opportunities that the real-time web brings to the recruitment space. There will be some analysis of the current social media landscape, some thoughts on search/cpc approaches to recruitment, and an introduction of some of our new products that sit in the social media/search space.
Bill is the expert in the field, and his latest Twitter Job Search gig raised a lot of dust in the online recruitment world. In the Ireland lagging in Social Media adoption article only a few days ago, I wrote about the Twitter Job Search penetration in Ireland. It will be interesting to see how will Bill’s presentation affect the number of jobs in Ireland in the Twitter Job Search and in the social media in general.
About Bill Fischer
Co-Founder and Director of Workdigital Ltd, the vertical search solutions development company that built workhound.co.uk and twitterjobsearch.com. Co-Founder of DVD Station, Inc., a world-class media/entertainment internet retail systems company. Former VP of marketing for a massively multiplayer online gaming company with over 2.4mm customers in 50+ companies, and builder of marketing systems for a user generated content site acquired by Electronic Arts. Previous marketing and general management experience at more.com, threerings.net and Ebates.com. A frequent speaker, interviewee, and panelist for entertainment trade and classified search and was acknowledged in the editor-in-chief of Wired’s book, The Long Tail, as an expert on collaborative filtering and internet search engines. Twitter: @williamfischer LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/wmfischer
Ireland is getting further and further behind in the adoption of the new technologies. Only a few years ago we have been on the forefront, and look at us now? The time has stopped here. Words clock is ticking, but we got occupied with our own issues and forgot to look across our shores. Social media is just one of the examples. Here is the sample from the Twitter Job Search. You might remember I published the instructions on how to use it months ago (a week after it become available!). Where are we today? Well, the map below does not really need much comment:
Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIN… all got really small penetration percentage in Ireland comparing to the rest of the developed world. Perhaps the housing market ‘collapse’ (one third of the peak value is lost on average), or unemployment in Ireland at 12.6% and still raising, pushed us to think about the basic needs. Euro Disney got replaced by self catering holidays. Bread on the table is more in peoples mind today than thinking about the emerging marketing media. Unfortunately that is the perfect way to stop the innovation, stop the development, and back into the ‘Dark Ages’.
The social media adoption is actually a quite reliable indicator of where the country is going. It represents the mood of the population, on top of the basic indicators like the computer literacy, internet penetration, etc.
… when all the personal branding channels are combined.
In no particular order:
1. Social networks presence – descriptive public profile combined with the active participation in discussions.
2. Personal Blog
3. Presence on the Corporate Blog
4. Any online publication (indexed by Google)
The real power of all your online presence is in the ability to connect all those channels together. Ad your friends and co workers in social networks, drive them to your blog for more status updates, get them subscribed to your RSS feeds and twitter. From your RSS and tweets send them back to your questions and discussion on your blog and social networks, and increase the readership in every jump from one media to another.
Personal branding practice as above replaces the necessity to look for a job on jobs sites. The recruiters will ‘know about you’ already anyway. Just blog daily, and publish one article or a question in the social network of your choice (relevance to your target industry).
Monster is interested in what job seekers think of their jobs web site. Here is the mail sent to job hunters today:
SATISFIED?
LET US KNOW WHAT YOU THINKDear Job Seeker,
At Monster, we are committed to creating an online experience that advances your life and your career. To help us achieve this, we would like to invite you to provide some feedback on your experience using Monster.
Our Satisfaction Survey should only take around 12 -18 minutes to complete and all responses are confidential. Start the survey by clicking the link below. Your honest thoughts and opinions are greatly appreciated.
Thank you for your participation.
Click here for the satisfaction survey »
Best wishes,
Jesse Harriot
Vice President of Research2009 Monster – All Rights Reserved
Hillview House, 15D Gilford Road, Sandymount, Dublin 4, Ireland
How about a iPhone raffle or something similar to get people to participate? Or is Monster not really interested in what people really think. Or not that much to give them the incentive to fill up the questionnaire?
Or Monster Marketing just didn’t think of it at all? :)
Photos from:
Clarion Hotel Dublin: Social Media Networking Event
Work in Ireland (WorkinIreland.ie) as jet another recruitment job portal. Although it is not really publicised, it is owned by a recruitment agency called Work Direct (WorkDirect.ie). The agency is run by the Directors Philip Beggs and Sabina Frontzek.
The Work in Ireland site is not that bad looking. Certainly not that bad as a FAS Jobs Site I wrote yesterday about. There are also about 20ish jobs advertised between two advertisers Alex Harp and Step One Recruitment.
The site has one sole purpose and that is to create a stream of fresh CV’s for the Work Direct recruitment agency. Therefore he advertisers email address and any contact details are hidden. On the page showing a job details there is also no Apply button, but it is replaced by Register Now button. This is to force job seekers to leave all their personal details, and the copy of the CV to the recruitment agency that runs the site before the application is sent to the advertiser.
I wonder will any recruitment agency, when they decide to make a job board, use their experience and knowledge of the industry and create something new? Something that will improve the process of the online recruitment? When will a single recruitment web site really differ from all the others? All the Irish recruitment agencies have jobs advertised on them, and all the sites are exactly the same. Same features, and quite a few actually look the same (Prosperity.ie being the exception). What happened to creativity? Is there absolutely nothing innovative the Irish recruitment agencies can come up with for more than 10 years now?
(hint: think social media)
There are great skills hidden in the Irish recruitment workforce. Declan Fitzgerald who you all know very well by now if you are readers of this blog, have created a browser toolbar for Microsoft Internet Explorer and Firefox.
Irish Recruiters Toolbar helps you to find and read the latest blog posts on Jobs Blog! – That should be a tagline! :)
Irish Recruiters Toolbar is represented on a video, and you can see the video and download the toolbar on Declans blog. Thanks for putting Jobs Blog in the video Dec!
Irish Jobs had the approach ‘If you can’t beat them, buy them!’ for many years now. Then Worky came. With most likely slightly too big price tag for the current market. Remember Worky has the global ambitions.
Worky opened up a new model of sourcing. A Pay as you Go model. You can do what you like, and you pay only when you want to contact the candidate. €20 per contact. Not much for a perfect candidate, wouldn’t you agree?
Well Irish Jobs realised, – Hey we have a bigger database. Thousands of CVs parsed in database. Why don’t we sell that?
Here is what Irish Jobs ofers:
IrishJobs.ie is proud to launch our brand new ‘Pay as you go’ CV database system enabling you to cherry pick the candidates you want.
The IrishJobs.ie CV Database has proven to be a highly successful tool for both jobseekers and recruiters. Over 35,000 high calibre candidates across all industry sectors in Ireland have recently uploaded their CV onto IrishJobs.ie and this database is continually growing.
With our CV database you can
-tailor your search requirements by selecting the job category; roles, minimum -experience and salary range, plus include specific keywords.
qu-ickly identify CVs matching your criteria as search results are displayed as a -snapshot overview including the candidate’s objectives
-search for suitable candidates in complete confidentiality – an excellent tool for times when you do not want to advertise a position
With our new ‘pay as you go’ model you only pay for the CVs you pick (Just €15 + VAT per CV).
Get ahead of the competition by targeting quality candidates instantly and efficiently. Check out our database in RMS today.
Kindest Regards,
The IrishJobs.ie Team
I am not sure if that includes a Jobs.ie database as well. That would be the first question I would ask.
Then again compared to Worky – Irish Jobs is cheaper. €15 per CV from Irish Jobs, against €20 per contact on Worky.
A leading Irish jobs site and a start-up social network – both charging for selling the private data. I still think it should be free.
Do you or your company use social media networking or social media to support recruitment efforts?
76% plan to invest in employee referrals
72% plan to increase their use of social networks
66% have successfully hired a candidate identified or introduced through an online social network
Jobvite also asked employers to list the social networks and here is how they rank against each other.
95% or recruiters use LinkedIN to find candidates(!). Do you?
Who says there is no such thing as a free lunch?
I call from a client today about their jobs being published to FreeJobs.ie made me thinking. Their jobs published on the Free Jobs web site are about 3 years old. They got an application for a job advertised there yesterday. Since my client is using the multiple job posting service eRecruit, as a part of our Recruitment Marketing Manager product, they assumed that eRecruit is supplying the jobs to the Free Jobs web site, as it does to all the Irish Jobs sites (and news sites, and blogs, and niche web sites, etc…). Well in this case this was not the case. We in eRecruit have actually never even heard about a site called Free Jobs before.
So jobs published on Free Jobs web site are taken from somewhere. And published on the Free Jobs web site, without the owner of the content – the advertiser, in this case a recruitment agency knowing about that fact. Three years after that, the advertiser receives the job application. And un unpleasant situation really – how to explain to the poor job hunter that the recruiter quoted on the Free Jobs web site does not work anymore in that recruitment agency? How to explain that the company that was actually hiring does not even exist anymore? How to explain why is the job advertised, and invites the job seeker to reveal quite a lot of his private data (in the CV) for something that is not there? Quite unpleasant, isn’t it?
Well, that is the problem with the things that are free. No one is really responsible for the maintenance or the quality of their service. Sometimes it seems one would be better of paying 1 Euro, or some minimal fee, and receive a guarantee of a quality of service. This provides some revenue to the service provider as well, that helps funding the project. In the same time it gives the user of the service a level of guarantee that the service provided will work well.
I like free things. We all do. But unfortunately there are inherited problems with free services. Free Jobs web site is not the alone in the scenario where a free service of advertising jobs simply failed because of the unsustainable business model.
I got a mail this morning from Jobs.ie web site. They are offering me a 100€ career workshop.
I thought about it during a coffee this morning. Recruit Ireland have changed their model and are offering free advertisements to the Irish employers. Until they fill their books with names, whom to start selling once when the recession is gone. Their prediction is in September. That being September 2009. In the same time Jobs web site is looking for other sources of revenue. And there are the job seekers. With thousands of job seekers on your site daily, why not offer them something, for let’s say,… 100 quid? There certainly is a market for it since we are in the steady double digit unemployment with very little signs of it getting any better anytime soon. With so many people hungry for jobs – why not take a €100 of each? In a form of coaching?
I have to admit, I like the recruit Ireland approach better with their Get Ireland Working campaign. What Jobs site is doing kind of sounds like: Get Ireland Paying. I know, I know. Recruit Ireland is after the same money. They will start charging those employers the moment they can. I just like the Employers paying for the recruitment advertising, not job seekers. I do not think it’s really fair to ask someone looking for a job, especially if unemployed – anything! Not even shaped in the fancy candy bar wrapping of ‘ Career Coaching’.
And no, I am not a socialist.
Here is a full offering from Jobs.ie:
From: Jobs.ie [mailto:info@jobs.ie]
Sent: 30 July 2009 09:32
To: irishrecruiter
Subject: Jobs.ie Career Workshop – Thursday August 13th.
Dear Jobseeker,
CAREER WORKSHOP – BEAT THE MARKET & INVEST IN YOUR CAREER.
The Job Market in Ireland has changed dramatically. There are less jobs and increased competition for them. Developing your career including finding the role you want now requires a more dynamic approach to find success.
Jane Downes of Clearview Coaching Group in conjunction with Jobs.ie is delighted to announce, due to consistently strong feedback from previous attendees, that the next “Career Workshop” tailor made for this market will take place Thursday August 13th in the Davenport Hotel Dublin 2 at 6pm.
Having completed research into the needs of the sites users, numerous requests were made to create a workshop for job seekers. The good news is that we have now done so and it is to be run by one of Irelands leading on the ground Career Coaching Experts, Jane Downes.
This workshop is suitable for individuals of all levels seeking work, making total career changes or those who need to take stock and effectively plan their next move. It is also an option for an organisation seeking to offer redundancy support to employees.
The workshop will provide its attendees with the opportunity to access expert opinion and advice in the following key areas:
Take away the following from this workshop:
Meet the Workshop Facilitator:
Jane Downes is founder of Clearview Coaching Group (www.clearviewcoachgroup.com) which was established in 2004 following an extensive career working within the area of Executive Search, Recruitment and HR Consulting. Assignments frequently involved carrying out recruitment consulting projects for some of Ireland’s brand name clients. Jane uses this vital experience gained in her Executive and Career coaching sessions with her clients and in her workshops. Jane also co owns Irelands 1st Assessment and Coaching Centre for Emotional Intelligence – www.EIIreland.com. Jane regularly writes for the National Press on Career, Motivation & planning and managing yourself within the workplace. Jane is a qualified Life & Business Coach, Career Coach Assessor and licensed Emotional Intellegence Assessor (EQi). She also has a 1st class honours Social Science Degree from UCD and a 1st Class honours Training qualification (NUI).
Limited places available – book today! CLICK HERE TO BOOK
Cost: Your investment for this workshop is €100 (via www.jobs.ie)
Venue: The Davenport Hotel, Merrion Square Dublin 2 www.ocallaghanhotels.com
Date: Thursday August 13th
Time: 6.00pm – 9.15pm
For further information please email jane@clearviewcoachgroup.com
If you do not wish to receive mailings from Jobs.ie click here to unsubscribe.
RecruitIreland.com has a new ‘sticker’. I like it! :)
I really do!